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good evening folks Kent hoping here in
the crew at dinosaur Adventureland in
Lennox Alabama we believe the Bible is
literally true and scientifically
accurate the God made the world in six
days just like he said he did and
everything was made in six days so
dinosaurs lived with man they did not
live millions of years ago that's why we
have dinosaur Adventureland I have with
me tonight Gary damar from Georgia
Presbyterian who takes a slightly
different position on end times and
we're gonna discuss what on earth is
about to happen for heaven's sake
tonight my book I wrote on the topic in
my chart you said you disagree I've
never had anybody disagree with me on
anything brother this is brand-new you
disagree on a few thing
get your hand out woman okay so we're
gonna I'm gonna discussion slash debate
whatever you want to call it he asked if
I would go first and present my position
and then he will present his position
equal time then just have a discussion
back and forth over a particular topics
is that the goal brother Gary yes about
we'll start with the rapture first
defense of the rapture okay
sounds good well I'll start off there I
think we could all agree the world is in
a royal mess okay there are wars and
rumors of wars and famines and
pestilence and violence and and it's
getting worse I think most folks would
agree we've got problems on planet earth
everyone is expecting their Messiah
somebody to come save the world okay
who's gonna come straighten out this
mess the Jews have been weeping and
wailing at their Wailing Wall hoping the
Messiah would come soon to save them and
straighten out the mess the Muslims
teach their people that someday the
Mahdi the 12th Imam will come and save
the planet the 12th Imam the coming of
the Mahdi there are many good books on
this topic if you want to read about
that they teach their people that the
12th Imam is gonna come and fix
everything and force everybody force
everybody to submit to Allah or kill
them okay the 12th Imam Joel Rosenberg
did a great book on that one if you want
to read about that the 12th Imam so
they're all there waiting though for
hoping this guy will come and fix the
world's mess is LOM will dominate the
world by force or sword okay now the
Hindus are teaching their people some
day the Krishna is going to come and fix
the world problems there'll be peace on
earth goodwill toward men
etc
the Buddhists are sitting around
contemplating the hair on their navel
while they wait for the 5th Buddha to
come fix everything
yeah everybody's gonna be the fifth
Buddha we'll fix it yeah maybe he's
gonna come and straighten out the world
mess
now the Theophilus Theosophists they're
busy waiting for their Lord me atre to
come they think he's going to fix the
planet and all these groups are teaching
somebody's coming to straighten out the
mess I think it's normal to hope and
pray that some leader would come along
and fix this mess they're waiting for
Lord my atre to come straighten things
up now the Satanists they're actually
worship Lucifer and they think Lord
Lucifer is going to come fix the world's
problems and put it all back like it
ought to be the Chinese Communists are
waiting for their supreme leader to come
on the scene and fix everything the
North Korean communists have their guy
with the funny haircut who think he's
gonna fix everything okay the supreme
leader the Russian communists are
waiting for a supreme leader the
Christians are waiting for the Messiah
Jesus Christ to come back what's going
on well in John chapter 14 jesus told
his disciples in my father's house are
many mansions if it were not so I would
have told you I go to prepare a place
for you pretty clear jesus said I'm
gonna leave and prepare a place and come
back and get you and if I go and prepare
a place for you I will come again and
receive you unto myself I don't think it
could be more clear the Bible clearly
teaches Jesus is going to come back to
the earth now when and what are the
events surrounding that that's what
we're gonna be talking about today in
the book of Acts chapter 1 after Jesus
was crucified and rose from the dead he
met and worked for round for 40 days he
met with his disciples on top of the
Mount and he said as and he was ascended
up to heaven and as well they look
steadfastly toward heaven as he went up
behold two men stood by them in white
apparel which also said Ye men of
Galilee why stand ye gazing up into
heaven this same Jesus which has taken
up from you into heaven shall so come in
like manner as you have seen him go into
heaven I think that's pretty clear guys
you watched him go up in a cloud he's
coming back in a cloud that's
the obvious teaching of this verse so
we're waiting for the Messiah the Lord
Jesus Christ to come now there are
plenty of scriptures that are sometimes
difficult to understand but in you
really if you're going to start the
understanding what the future is I think
you need to start understanding how the
world was made and the whole thing in my
sin my book what a nurse about to happen
which you can get from our website dr.
dine or calm or my charts behind me over
here the big ones are 25 bucks the
little ones are 10 bucks if you want to
get one of those that's what I spent
five years while I was in prison
unjustly working on this diligently
reading how many hundred books on this
topic from all kinds of different
perspectives I said I just want to know
the truth I had been taught as an
independent temperamental fundamental
right-wing radical chicken eating
Baptist that the Lord comes back any
minute
you know there's all kinds of songs in
our song books it could happen in a
moment in a twinkling of an eye soon and
very soon we're going to see the king
and I was excited thinking boy I might
not wake up in the morning I might be
raptured and for 40 years I believed
that and taught it and I'm sorry it's
not true we're gonna be here for the
tribulation time so you really got to
start understanding the future by
looking at the past the Bible teaches
God made everything about 6,000 years
ago this is the bottom timeline on that
chart behind me here about 4,400 years
ago there was a flood destroyed the
world before the flood the people live
to be 900 that's the time of the great
dinosaurs because reptiles never stopped
growing
so when people are living to be 900
everything was living longer and
dinosaurs lived with Adam and Eve Noah
took him on the ark probably babies
after the flood things changed lifespans
dropped off to 400 and 200 and today
hardly anybody makes it to a hundred but
that's all covered in my seminar series
so most of the dinosaurs died off or
were killed off by man they called them
dragons generally during this first
thousand years or so after the flood
some may still be around that's my video
number three about dinosaurs but along
comes Daniel about 600 years before
Christ and God gives Daniel a vision of
the future oh well the Bible says in 2nd
Peter the scoffers in the last days
would be ignorant of the creation and
the flood and the coming judgment of God
2nd Peter chapter 3 and I think many
Christians are ignorant of the creation
what was it like there ignorant of the
flood where'd the water come from where
did it go
and they're ignorant of the future the
coming of the Lord come he said he's
coming back in a cloud when does this
happen what are the events about this so
in my book and on my chart I take the
position that Daniel was given a
prophecy for his people Israel
that was for 70 weeks and for 70 with
this prophecy of 70 weeks I am convinced
is divided into three sections seven
weeks and then sixty-two weeks and then
one week and most people who study this
will agree I think there may be a few
outliers but I would say 99% would say
each of the week referred to here is a
group of seven years a cluster of seven
years so when it says seventy weeks it
means seventy sevens or 490 years are
determined for thy people that's the
position I take that's the position most
people take I don't think I've heard to
anybody defend anything else logically
but maybe I don't know I don't know I
have no idea what Gary believes we'll
find out in a minute so what I did at
the end of time right here we're I think
starting probably pretty soon I've got a
little yellow stripe representing 7
years the 70th week of Daniel that is
greatly expanded on the top timeline to
be this seven year period so that is the
same as this down here this seven year
period i divided up in my book and on my
chart into five parts
a B C D and E and then the thousand-year
reign of Christ a millennium it's called
milli means thousand I also divided up
into five parts a b c d and e from my
book and for ease of study
now there's a fabulous author who wrote
an incredible series of books that i've
got many among the shelf here somewhere
there's not true about the lord coming
back any minute
how many read some of the tim lahaye
books and there he's a captivating
author you can't quit reading when you
read and the movies are fabulous but
it's not true I wish it was so in James
chapter 3 he said my brethren be not
many masters that's teachers knowing we
shall receive the greater condemnation I
have been a teacher for years and I've
taken this verse very seriously God
takes false teaching very serious I'm
cautious what I teach if I don't know
I'll say I don't know if I have an
opinion I'll say well there's four
theories
on this and here's what I chose but I
don't know for sure but if I'm positive
I'll stick my neck out and say I'm
positive
God made the world in six days no
question
it doesn't matter house it doesn't
matter how smart you are how godly you
are how sincere you are it must be in
accordance with God's Word to be true
God told Jeremiah to tell the people
they would go into captivity they didn't
want to hear it so they beat him up and
lock him in the stocks ended all kinds
of mean things to Jeremiah but he
preached the truth to them and it cost
him dearly Bible says no prophecy of the
scripture is of any private
interpretation for 40 years I studied
this book trying to figure out what does
it teach about n times and about 10
years ago is when I finally settled okay
I think I've got it straight now and I
finally wrote my book about if I'm not
sure I don't I don't give it I don't I
don't say I'm sure it's kind of like a
Sudoku puzzle how many vebber done a
Sudoku puzzle before the rules are
simple
every line must have all the letters
every column and each quadrant so if I
gave you these clues and said this each
has to spell out the word kemp kem T hmm
well this one could be an N or a T right
but I find out right which one is it
well if I look over here this can't be
the end because there's an end in this
column already so this must be the T
therefore that must be the end and this
must be the T solved it now with that
salt I can go along and say well this
must be the e because it's got to have
all of them in this quadrant
well that means this got to be the T
well that makes it simple that's got to
be the K and that's the e and they you
know you you can solve a Sudoku puzzle
by process of elimination when you look
at all the clues about scripture people
argue about to come to all kinds of
different conclusions on this and no
prophecy of the scripture is of any
private interpretation there should be
two or three at least verses on any
particular topic and I want to show you
here's where Daniel started seventy
weeks and I'm going to take the position
strongly that each week represents a
group of seven years so for 490 years
seventy weeks are determined upon thy
people that would be Daniels people the
Jews to do several things
to finish the transgression to make an
end of sins to make reconciliation for
iniquity to bring in everlasting
righteousness I think we could probably
all agree that hasn't happened yet to
seal up the vision and prophecy and to
anoint the most holy he goes on in verse
25 know therefore and understand this is
the angel talking to Daniel from the
going forth of the commandment to
restore and to build Jerusalem unto
Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks
and threescore in two weeks a scores 20
so threescore would be 60 so it's gonna
be seven weeks and then sixty-two weeks
why did they divide that off
the only thing clue I can find on this
and I'm not dogmatic it looks to me like
when the Daniels prophecy was given 49
years later the book of Malachi the last
book was written that seems to me the
only way this fits together I may be
wrong on that I'm willing to listen but
for there's a seven weeks broken off for
some reason that may be it or they
return to Israel the seven-year the
seven weeks or 49 years but they're
still leaves one week left the general
consensus of Christians for the last
2,000 years has been there's a
sixty-nine week period from when the
commandment to restore and build
Jerusalem keep in mind this was given to
Daniel while he's in captivity in
Babylon because his country had been
ransacked and destroyed I heard they
were all taken slaves he said somebody's
gonna give a commandment to rebuild
Jerusalem when that happens start your
clock 69 weeks later or 483 years later
the Messiah is going to come back after
threescore and two weeks shall Messiah
be cut off that's always the biblical
expression for shall be killed so the
Messiah is going to be killed but not
for himself and the people of the prince
that shall come shall destroy the city
and the sanctuary and the end thereof
shall be with a flood and unto the end
of the war desolations are determined
and he I have a question mark here
because I suspect that is the Antichrist
though there is some speculation several
opinions about who's the he in Daniel
9:27
he shall confirm the covenant and
agreement of some kind with many doesn't
say what the many are for one week and
in my book I cover all the different
theories I could come up with I suspect
it's probably gonna be some Muslim
leader from one of the countries that
surround Israel and hate Israel he's
gonna make a covenant an agreement a
treaty hey guys we're gonna let you
build your temple on our property which
is what they would say Jews have been
wanting to build their temple on the
Temple Mount for a long time got
destroyed in 70 AD and as he's gonna
make a cover a seven year treaty for a
week I take that to be a one-week treaty
in the midst of the week that would be
three and a half years he and I take
that to be the Antichrist shall cause
the sacrifice and oblation to cease what
hold it if they're doing sacrifices in
the temple they're gonna have to have a
temple built in the first half of the
tribulation or the seven-year period so
during the first seven years they build
the temple in the middle of the seven
years he breaks the treaties that we're
taking over this happened when Antiochus
type of this one Antiochus in a thousand
or a hundred rows a year 162 BC roughly
he went in and sacrificed a pig on the
altar on the Jewish temple and desolated
the temple is now that it was desolate
for a thousand days in that time so that
was not the fulfillment of this prophecy
for sure but it was a typology of that
so he's going to make the sacrifice that
somehow break the treaty and stop them
from sacrificing in the temple and for
the overspreading of abominations he
shall make it desolate the temple is
going to be desolate again even until
the consummation and that determined
shall be poured upon the desolate so the
people of the prince that shall come
we'll see about that
okay and he talks about this the
princess shall come so what's happening
the Temple Mount in Israel's the city of
Jerusalem today there's a 37 acre
platform called the Temple Mount that's
where the original temple was built by
Solomon it was destroyed nobody knew
where it was even the Muslims came in
there and 600 AD took over that region
and somebody said Mohammed came down on
from his vision and landed on a rock and
went up to straight up to heaven from a
rock
they built their mosque of Omar over
this rock there's the mosque of Omar
from the air built in 600 AD here's the
Temple Mount right here in about roughly
37 acres so then somebody were told the
Muslim ruler and 1500s he said hey the
must Bible says the Messiah is going to
come through the eastern gate
there's the eastern gate let's close it
off so they bricked it shut Saddam
Messiah can come now
it says in Ezekiel 44 he brought me back
the way of the gate of the sanctuary
toward the east and it was shut then
said the Lord the gate shall be shut it
shall not be opened and no man shall
enter in by it because the Lord God of
Israel hath entered in that's where
Jesus came in from the Mount of Olives
on the donkey and they put their clothes
down and waved and said ëi hosanna here
comes the king three days later they
crucified Him
it is for the prince and he shall sit in
it to eat bread before the Lord he shall
enter by the way of the porch of that
gate and shall go out by that gate and
so the Muslims blocked the gate shut
about five hundred years ago and said
aha
now he can't come and they put a
cemetery out front however they've now
discovered that that is not the original
eastern gate my understanding is it was
further north way up here and you can
barely see at the top of it it's all
under dirt now and a Muslim cemetery in
front of it so that's the eastern grab
right behind it open land nothing back
there easily they could tell the Jews
will sell you 15 acres for 200 trillion
dollars and you can build your temple on
this spot and they are chomping at the
bit to build that temple they can't wait
they've got it all designed out laid out
ready to go all the materials ready all
they got to get is a treaty and they're
gonna start building so I theory number
one is that some world leader will make
a treaty through the United Nations
theory number two some Muslim leader
will make a treaty with Israel I don't
know we shall see but I take the
position this seven-year period is still
yet to come
I just briefly talked to Gary I don't
even know what he believes but
apparently he does not believe there is
a trip tribulation time like this or a
coming I take it to be the seven-year
period broken up into two parts in the
middle of the tree seven years he breaks
the treaty and then there's the Great
Tribulation let me show you quickly here
and you can have all the time I've got
let's say 19 take your time okay get to
the Matthew 24 if you look at Matthew
chapter 24 if you have your Bible there
Jesus disciples asked him a simple
question Lord when are you coming and
what's the sign of your come here to
slide 54 ok obv 54 Matthew Matthew 24 as
he sat upon the Mount of Olives the
disciples came unto him privately saying
tell us when shall these things be and
what shall be the sign of thy coming and
of the end of the world pretty clear two
questions Lord when are you coming and
what's the sign we look for in mark 13
you read the same thing tell us when
shall these things be and what shall be
the sign when all these things shall be
fulfilled in Luke 21 you see the same
thing they asked him master when shall
these things be and what sign shall
there be so I lined them all up I cut
copied the pages out of the Bible let's
put them side-by-side photocopy them
Matthew Mark Luke and they are all in
the back of my book if you'd like to
follow along all these passages side by
side Matthew Mark and Luke the parallel
passages tape them together said okay
let's see how did he answer their
question in the red pack red box here
here's them asking that question when
are you comin you're coming what's the
sign in Matthew for the next 23 verses
he describes a horrible time of
tribulation in mark he takes a dozen in
nineteen verses and in Luke it's 17
verses you can read those for yourself
in the middle of each of these the
yellow box is when the treaty is broken
the abomination of desolation in the
middle of this period of time right
there the yellow box on the chart here
at the end of each one of these passages
he answers the question let's see right
here in verse 29 of Matthew 24
immediately after the tribulation of
those days shall the Sun be darkened and
the moon shall not give her light and
then shall appear the sign of the Son of
man in heaven and they shall see the Son
of man coming in the clouds
remember the angel said he went up into
cloud he's coming back in a cloud
so when's he coming after the
tribulation
what's the sign the Sun and the moon are
gonna go dark hmm and they shall see the
Son of man coming close of heaven and he
shall send His angels and gather
together his elect the gathering
together is what Christians have
commonly called the rapture the word is
not found in the Bible but the word
means to snatch away to snatch something
away to rapture and so he's going to
gather all of the Christians if any are
still alive out of here now in mark he
answers their question at the end of
that 19 verses by saying in those days
after the tribulation the Sun shall be
darkened and the moon shall not give her
light that's the sign the Jews seek
after a sign the Greeks seek after
wisdom the Jews are always looking for
some kind of sign okay at least George
Jesus what's the sign the Sun and the
moon are gonna go dark
I think everybody's going to notice that
and with a sudden the moon going dark is
mentioned 10 times in the Bible
sometimes it's associated with an
earthquake so even blind people are
gonna know something's going on so the
Sun in the moon go dark and an
earthquake and then they shall see the
Son of man coming in the clouds and then
he shall send His angels and gather
together his elect if you read the story
in 1st and 2nd thessalonians associated
with the angels coming is a trumpet
blast when the trumpet blows were all
caught out here and so this is the my
position is that we're coming he's
coming back after the tribulation time
when the sun and the moon go dark in
Joel chapter 2 Joel said the Sun shall
be turned into darkness and the moon
into blood before the great and terrible
day of the Lord come I was guilty 4
years of confusing not distinguishing
clearly between the day of the Lord
which is the thousand year period and
the day of Christ which is the rapture
that's why you better get a King James
Bible if you're gonna study this topic
because the newer perversions have
really screwed this up calling day of
Christ the day of the Lord and they are
not the same okay
so Joel said the sun's gonna be turned
into darkness and the moon into blood
before the day of the Lord when they
quote that verse in the book of Acts
chapter 2 they're quoting this verse he
said the Sun shall be turned into
darkness and the moon into blood before
the Great and notable day of the
so Jesus coming must be before the day
of the Lord in Acts they saw him go up
in a cloud and the angel said this same
Jesus is going to come back in like
manner he's coming back in a cloud so
the sequence is very simple there's a
time of tribulation mentioned in Matthew
Mark Luke and John and acts then the Sun
and the moon go dark and then the day of
the Lord starts tribulation has several
parts to it let me go to two four seven
here let's see Daniel Daniel all through
the Book of Daniel it talks about this
temple being desolate watch get my book
for more on that let me show you what I
wanted to get to to there okay in the
Book of Daniel when you read the
prophecy in chapter 7 and again then all
this is the charts in my book on the
page before that it talks about he the
Antichrist is going to prevail against
the Saints he shall prevail against them
and then they shall possess the kingdom
he's going to whoop him up beat him up
and then they possess the kingdom I was
always hoping we get raptured out here
before any tribulation starts
tribulation is what the world does to us
Jesus said in the world ye shall have
tribulation john 16 now first let's
onehans tells us god's children are not
appointed unto wrath wrath is different
than tribulation so here's what I
covered earlier let's see right here he
talks about the time of tribulation and
I thought I had the Thessalonians
oh I'm sorry 361 narrative their first
and second Thessalonians those books
every single chapter talks about the
coming of the Lord
chapter 1 he told them to wait for his
son from heaven even Jesus which
delivered us from the wrath to come
we're not here when the wrath hits the
wrath is what God does to the world that
takes place in the day of the Lord we
are here for the tribulation that takes
place before the day of the Lord comes
chapter 2 our what is our hope and joy
and Crown to rejoice
are not even ye in the presence of our
Lord Jesus Christ at his coming so it
mentions the coming chapter three at the
coming of the Lord Jesus Christ with all
his saints chapter four I would not have
you to be ignorant brethren concerning
them which are asleep those that have
already died that she's sorrow not even
as others which have no hope for if we
believe that Jesus died and rose again
even so them also which sleep in Jesus
will God bring with him and we're to
this we say unto you by the word of the
Lord that we which are alive and remain
unto the coming of the Lord shall not
prevent an old english word proceed or
go before we're not gonna go before
those who are asleep for the Lord
himself shall descend from heaven with a
shout the voice of the Archangel and the
Trump of God and the dead in Christ
shall rise first
that's the Southern Baptist and then
that's the joke and then everybody else
gets to go okay then we which are alive
and remain and shall be caught up
together with them in the clouds so I
think the Bible is clear he said
wherefore comfort one another jesus is
coming back he's coming in the clouds
they're gonna blow a trumpet and we're
gonna be caught up out of here and this
is a comforting passage to know there's
a rapture we're going to be caught up
we're gonna be gathered together and it
takes place after the tribulation when
the Sun and the moon go dark so that's
enough we'll save the rest for a QA time
or anything else but brother that's my
position
after a long time of being wrong on the
topic so tell me what you think my name
is Gary Tamar I'm president of American
vision and basically I'm an author been
working with American vision we're in
the Powder Springs Georgia right outside
of Atlanta been working there since 1980
various topics I address our
governmental issues what does the Bible
say about God and government self
government family government church
government and a decentralized civil
government I deal with issues related to
law the application of God's law to
society as well as to the individual the
family and the church I deal with
economic issues what does the Bible say
about economics and also spend a lot of
time on education in the area of
apologetics as well especially dealing
with the moral implications of evolution
Adams in and of themselves do not exude
any sort of morality there's a nature
red in tooth and claw I've been working
on a book for a little while called why
my white might be okay to eat your
neighbor if evolution is right can
anything be wrong so in many many cases
Kent and I probably share quite a few
interests one of the interests I that
got me on this particular topic
I wrote a series of books back in the
eighties called God in government it was
originally a three-volume work it's been
used in home school movement across the
country I would go out and speak on that
particular topic and I would find people
there's always one person in the crowd
who would say but wait a minute we're
living in the last days the rapture is
right around the corner all the signs
are leading that way why are you
bothering dealing with the issue of
government and why why do you care about
politics why should we even be involved
Jesus didn't get mixed up in politics
there's a separation between church and
state politics is dirty jesus said My
Kingdom is not of this world you can go
on and on our citizenship is in heaven
and since we're living in the end times
and the the rapture whatever position
whatever the five wraps your positions
you take we're living in the end times
you know things look people look at the
world which are living today and they
see we see wars and rumors of wars and
earthquakes and things of that that sort
as if those things that never happened
before well they have happened before
but all kinds of wars the 20th century
had First World War Second World War you
had the Korean War my father served in
both the Second World War in the Korean
War the Vietnam War you can go all the
way through history and you'll see wars
and rumors of wars the crucial issue
that we're we need to deal with and this
in this particular topic isn't so much
the millennial issue it's the things
that happened before then it's the the
so-called Great Tribulation that is said
to be a seven-year period that's offset
in in the future and there are five
different rapture positions there is the
pre-tribulation rapture that Christians
are taken off the earth and it before
the seven-year period
there's a mid-tribulation rapture where
Christians are taken off at the midpoint
of the seven year period there's a post
tribulation will rapture position where
people are where Christians are taken
off the earth at the end of the seven
year period so you got pre mid and post
and then there are two minor positions
the one is a partial rapture and one
that's gaining you know some popularity
today is called a pre-wrath rapture that
will Christians will go through the
tribulation but right before God pours
out his wrath God will then rapture his
Saints
I think the pre-wrap position is is
probably the most accurate because it's
the one that's that's taught in
Scripture and there's some examples of
it and but the big question is does the
Bible ever teach that this seven-year
period is pushed off into the future and
from the sixth the end of the 69th week
or the 483 years that is is there a gap
between the 69th week and the seventh
the 70th week and between the 69th week
and the 70th week we are living in today
with a two thousand year parenthesis
that's the question it's not the
question about with Jesus returning at
the end of history it's not that's it's
not that the things are bad in the world
today the question is does the Bible
teach that there is a gap between the
69th and 70th week because that 70th
week is crucial to all the rapture
positions you don't have that 70th year
that's that final seven years 70 weeks
though for the final seven years you
don't have any of the rapture positions
so what might what has to be proved is
that there's a gap between the 69th and
the 70th week and here's another thing
you have to prove when you read Daniel
9:24 through 27 what you have to find in
there is talk about a rebuilt temple now
not just any rebuilt temple you have to
talk about a a rebuilt temple after the
rebuilt temple that's very crucial
because Daniel is writing that prophecy
while he is still in exile the temple
has not been rebuilt and Jerusalem has
not been rebuilt so with Daniel mentions
the temple when he mentions Jerusalem
he's mentioned the temple that was
actually in Jesus's day it was the
temple that Jesus went into in John
chapter 2 or Jesus referred to destroy
this temple and in three days they'll
raise it back up again
the Jews were thinking about the temple
that Herod was was rebuilding it had
been destroyed during the Maccabee in
period but when Daniel was writing his
prophecy that temple had not been built
yet that temple was only built after the
the captivity period so in order to
propose that there is a temple beyond
the temple that Jesus that Jesus
describes in Matthew chapter 24
you need some verse that says there's
going to be a temple beyond that one
there isn't a single verse in the New
Testament that says anything about a
rebuilt temple and people will say well
what about second Thessalonians 2
there's a temple mentioned there but
that temple was still standing when when
Paul gave his his directions regarding
the man of lawlessness that temple was
still standing but what about the the
temple in in Matthew chapter 24 that
temple was still standing Jesus pointed
the stones out to it there's not a
single verse in the New Testament says
anything about a rebuilt temple and
there's no verse there's nothing in math
in in Daniel chapter 9 verses xx of 24
through 27 that says anything about a
gap between the 69th and the 70th year
you can read it we're not supposed to
import things into the Bible that aren't
there we need to take Bible at it's
worth there's no gap between the 69th
and 70th week I'll tell you what else
isn't there there's no mention of an
antichrist there if you read the passage
you have messiah the prince
you have messiah and you have the the
people of the prince who is to come who
says that's the Antichrist who says that
they you know the the he and in the next
verse is as the Antichrist there's no
mention of an antichrist in there one
would think if you saw the word Messiah
that you would have to see the word anti
Messiah
there you just can't make those kinds of
deductions from very very little of what
the text actually says so and I'm going
to I want to go back to the this the 70
weeks of years thing and the gap because
that's an extremely important part of
the prophecy how does it how does Daniel
9 begin do you remember what happens at
the beginning of Daniel 9 daniel is
reading what we would call today The
Book of Jeremiah and in Jeremiah chapter
25 verse 11 it states how long the
captivity is why is Daniel in captivity
because the violation all the way back
to the Levitical laws and they're there
they're gonna put the Land of Israel to
rest for seventy years and so they're
gonna be deported there the northern
tribes first and then finally the
southern tribes and they're gonna be
deported they're gonna be in captivity
for 70 years here's the question
what if God at the end of the 69th year
without telling the Jews that he just
decided well theirs is going to be a gap
there we're just going to put a gap
between the 69th and 70th year and so
the people of Israel just waiting
waiting that the 70th year is going to
come and it doesn't it came in they're
still what is still in captivity and
then that well maybe we miscalculate so
they wait another year and another year
in another year so they finally get one
of the prophets and the Prophet insists
the Prophet can't communicate with God
and see why we're still here oh don't
worry what I did is I put a parenthesis
in there I put a gap in time you're
still only in captivity for 70 years but
we're not counting the parentheses so I
believe that the 70 years of captivity
is the anchor point for the 70 weeks of
years that it's the same relationship no
gap in the in the captivity no gap in
the 70 weeks of years there's nothing in
the text that says there's a gap you
have to import that into the text
there's nothing in the Texas that this
is the Antichrist
I believe all those references are to
Jesus Christ Jesus is the one who ends
up bringing judgment
on Jerusalem which took place in Matthew
chapter 24 this isn't the Antichrist it
that's doing this what's the definition
of Antichrist you always ask this ask
people what no what is the biblical
definition for Antichrist what is the
biblical definition for Antichrist not
someone who denies that Jesus Christ has
come in the flesh all right is this a
world leader know how many Antichrist
are there were there actually there are
many of them first John chapter 2 verse
18
there were many antichrists the only
time the word Antichrist is used in the
Bible is in first John and second John
that's it and the definition is very
clear repeated a couple of times someone
who denies that Jesus Christ has come in
the flesh that's the biblical definition
of Antichrist and yet today's Antichrist
is a composite Antichrist they take the
phrase Antichrist and they say well it's
them it's a man of lawlessness and
Chapman and and second Thessalonians 2
it's the Beast that's actually there are
two beasts in Revelation chapter 13 and
it's the little horn you pick all the
bad guys you can find in the Bible and
they say that's the Antichrist but it
doesn't fit the definition I I'm in the
Presbyterian Church in America which is
the conservative Bible believing
denomination and we subscribe to the
Westminster Confession of faith and in
the Westminster Confession of faith that
had the definition of Antichrist and the
Antichrist was supposed to be the papacy
in fact that was a very popular view for
many many years that the Roman Catholic
Church the Pope was the papacy and it
was written into content into a cradle
and content and confessional material
they eventually took it out they weren't
saying that the the Roman Catholic
Church was the true Church they just
said it doesn't fit the definition of
Antichrist I've got a book here
Christopher Hill Antichrist in 17th
century England look at this book these
are just this is a book about the
Antichrist people thought the Antichrist
was in 16th 17th century England there's
a book that we published the day
in the hour it's a 2,000 nearly 2,000
year survey of all the different types
of people who claim to be the Antichrist
or people said were the Antichrist the
same passages that are being used today
in popular prophecy books and so forth
are they're using the same verses that
they used why is it that they got this
wrong because I think they'd miss
applied the Antichrist passages now so
one one I remember reading in Kent's
book about the gap and the the reference
he used was I believe it was Luke
chapter 4 verse 18 he says well the
Bible does deal with with gaps in time
and see if I can find this real quick
yeah Jesus is quoting from Isaiah
chapter 61 1 and 2 the Spirit of the
Lord is upon me because he anointed me
to preach the gospel to the poor he has
sent me to proclaim the release of the
captives and recovery of sight to the
blind to set to set free those who are
downtrodden to proclaim the favorable
year of the Lord
and then but if you go back to if you go
back I think it still Isaiah chapter 61
verse 2 I don't have any slides here
sorry I don't work well with slides to
proclaim the favorable year of the Lord
and the day and the day of vengeance of
our God and so Jesus doesn't say that he
doesn't use that particular part of the
passage he did he and what what most
people say is well see there's a gap
because Jesus sat down he basically
closed the book and he sat down and so
the where the passage talks about and
the vengeance of our God that's still in
the future and I noticed that Kent had
had had written in parentheses between
Isaiah 61 and 62 that there was a 2000
year gap well I don't believe there's a
2000 year gap that's something you have
to import into the text I believe that
the the venj
Jesus was distraught with Isaiah was
talking about would take place and you
read if you read Luke chapter 21 it
talks about the day of vengeance
what is that day of vengeance the day of
vengeance is the destruction of
Jerusalem that took place in AD 70
that's what's being described there
that's the day of vengeance that is the
day where Jesus returns in judgment and
judges Jerusalem just like he predicted
he did there is no place in the Bible
where you will find a certain number of
days certain number of weeks or a
certain number of years words like there
is a gap in any of the numbers Daniel
not the 70 weeks of years were setting
off this the 70th week from the other 69
69 weeks it would be the only place in
scripture where there's a gap in time
and yet none as indicated there isn't a
gap indicating anywhere in the text so
there's no Antichrist mentioned that's
something you really have to put into
the text yet the takes think concepts
from the from the New Testament and pour
it into that passage doesn't say
anything about an antichrist
what anti the Antichrist doesn't make
covenants who makes covenants who makes
covenants God makes covenants God who
made covenants with the many Matthew
chapter 26 28 there are other places Matthew 26:28
let's see verse 26 and while they were
eating Jesus took some bread and after a
blessing he broke it and gave it to the
disciples and said take eat this is my
body and he took a cup and gave thanks
and gave it to them saying drink from it
all of all of you for this is my blood
of the Covenant which is to be shed on
behalf of many for forgiveness of sins
Jesus was confirming the covenant with
with Israel that's why he came he came
first to the lost sheep of Israel that
was that was his main motive but that
wasn't the only thing he came to do he
came to say that the bring in the
Gentiles that this promise that was made
to Abraham many many years before the
Gentiles would be grafted into an
already existing believing remnant
of Jews that is the confirmation of the
the covenant if I can again find this I
think maybe it's a miss Bible over here
next time next time Kent I'm going to
come with I'm gonna come with slides go
ahead I'm trying to use my King James
Bible here as best I can
romans 15 verse 8 now I say that Jesus
Christ was a minister of the
circumcision for the truth the truth of
God to confirm the promises made unto
the fathers and that the Gentiles might
glorify God for His mercy as it is
written for this cause I will confess to
thee among the Gentiles and sing unto
thy name
that's confirming the covenant he
promises had in fact been made to the
Gentiles to the nation's and promises
had been made to the to Israel let me
read this again now I say that Jesus
Christ was a minister of the
circumcision for the truth of God to
convert to confirm the promises the made
under the fathers and that the Gentiles
might glorify God for His mercy as it is
written for this cause I will confess to
thee among the Gentiles and sing unto
thy name Antichrist doesn't make
covenants if you read the the the
Antichrist passages nothing is said
about making covenants nothing at all
nothing is said about making a pact with
Israel where is where is that in the tax
nothing is said about making a deal with
Israel Jori Anna said that seven year
period and then breaking it it's not in
the text anywhere so that's why I
maintain that the keep
passage the key verses that that make it
possible for the seven-year period to be
pushed into the future where all these
things happen regarding the Antichrist
the passages that are used to do that
don't say anything about those things
you have to end up in putting things
into the text that aren't there and I'm
not willing to do that so no matter what
wraps your position someone holds and
it's all dependent on and you will find
almost all people who hold this they
maintain that the key is Daniel chapter
9 verses 24 through 27 and as I read
those things as a new Christian thing
Google where are those things so all the
all everything else if it if if you
can't get make that work
everything else in essence has to be
redone the second coming of Christ
that's that's that's not an issue if in
fact the if you study the history of the
interpretation of daniel 9:24 through 27
you'll find a majority a majority of
people throughout history you never saw
a gap between the 69th and the 1773 no
they didn't they didn't deny the the
second coming of Christ many of them
didn't deny that it would be an
antichrist at the end of history but
they did not base it upon Daniel chapter
9 24 through 27 and they didn't come up
with this idea that you're going to make
a covenant with the Jews and then break
that covenant they're going to rebuild
the temple etc etc so this is the key to
all this is determining what the
Scriptures have to say about Daniel 9:24
through 27 that's where we need to
that's where we need to Center our
attention we could I'm Kent brought up
all kinds of things about you know
Matthew 24 and Mark 13 and Luke 21 the
Sun Moon and stars of the coming of the
Son of Man on the clouds wars and rumors
of wars the abomination of death
halation second Thessalonians 2 I mean
all of those things need to be discussed
but the first thing that has to be
discussed in order to deal with the the
the next supposed next event in Bible
prophecy the next event in Bible
prophecy is according to those who hold
the rapture position there's this
seven-year period and many people
believe that it's it's very near before
we even started this just this session I
was talking to some of you and this
gentleman over here and I became a
Christian in 1973 I was 23 years old at
the time I was a senior in college I was
there on an athletic scholarship and my
life was going downhill I was so I put
all my efforts into athletics didn't
know what I wanted to do and I ran into
an old college friend and we sat in a
pub in Ann Arbor Michigan I was there
for a track meet and he opened up the he
started talking about the late great
planet Earth no I really wasn't paying
that much attention to the eschatology I
was paying more attention to the gospel
because I needed a new life in Christ
and I found it there that night but he
encouraged me to go and read the late
great planet Earth so I did I read a
late great prayers and I started reading
the Gospel of Matthew and I came across
passages that just didn't fit but this
is what Hal Lindsey said in nineteen in
1970 when that book was published that
book sold about 27 million copies it was
designated the most popular nonfiction
book of the 1970s and I think Kent and I
would agree it was probably the most
popular fiction book of the 1970s
because it made kind of a prediction it
says Israel became a nation again in
1948 and by the way the New Testament
doesn't say anything about this or
become a nation again in any particular
time the Old Testament talks about
Israel becoming a nation again and
Israel did in fact become a nation again
after the
exile he said is really coming in Asia
again in 1948 was was prophetically
significant he said a generation was 40
years this generation will not pass away
into all these things take place Matthew
24:34 yet 42 48 and what do you get
88 and there was a book that came out in
88 by Edgar wisnan and Edgar wasn't it
it was called 88 reasons why the
raptures in 1988 he was a NASA scientist
least he said he was and Fortin
hopefully he was well thankfully he
wasn't on the moon the moon shot we
would have had tragedies with that kind
of deal he wrote a book the next year
said oh I forgot I forgot when you go
from BC to AD you have to remember not
to add a year and so he said it was in
1989 well it became 1988 and I debated
I've debated a Dave hunt a number of
times I don't know if you remember Dave
hunt on this particular topic and he
even made mention of the fact that this
was a this was a problem and Chuck Smith
talked about 1948 being prophetically
significant well 1988 is gone gone so
they change this and what was it it
wasn't 1988 1948 it was 1967 so 40 plus
67 is 2007 well now this is 2020 and the
all these predictions that these men
made about all these things about this
happening taking place you know what
happened is you found like someone like
Bart Ehrman we give you an example of
barter but I don't know if you know who
he is you went to moody you went to
moody very conservative school believed
in a pre-tribulation rapture and Bart
Ehrman ended up I think going to
Princeton and he and essentially said
his professor said to him what if Jesus
was wrong what if Jesus was wrong and so
Herman began to see look well these guys
were making these predictions about
things Tim well hey said well is this
was all going to start at the at the end
of the first world war we've been about
1917 well as we got closer to the forty
year period ended up changing it and I
think even Henry Morris did the same
sort of thing it was that it was that
generation the World War one
generation so this idea that this is
right on the horizon it's always on the
horizon jesus is coming real soon all
the signs are indicating that they're
coming real soon
I want you to know every single
generation believed that Jesus was
coming within their generation I've got
a book in my library written by Oswald J
Smith it was written in 1927 and then
that book he declared that Mussolini was
the Antichrist and he had all the Bible
verses that everyone used today in order
to maintain that he was the Anti Christ
of course when Mussolini was was
executed in 1945 that kind of changed
things but you know what he did anytime
Oswald J Smith went out to speak he said
someone would bring that book and he
would buy it back because he made these
predictions he was dead wrong
Allen Lindsey was wrong Chuck Smith was
wrong now it doesn't mean that let's
just buy that the necessarily that
position is wrong so I'm back to you
have to demonstrate from Daniel chapter
9 verses 24 through 27 that there's a
gap between the 69th 69th and 70th week
a gap of nearly 2,000 years and you have
to give me an example in scripture where
we also see gaps look I know
creationists don't like gaps they don't
like get a gap between Genesis 1 and 2
they don't like gaps between the first
day and the second day and the third day
and the fourth day and the fifth day and
the sixth day they don't like gaps and
it's it's a it's always amazed me that
the creation movement which is which is
which I'm part of with the creation
movement is very much into the end times
as well and basing it on Daniel chapter
9 24 through 27 and yet they place a gap
and are very comfortable with that gap
even though the text doesn't say there's
a gap so I think I've given enough of my
position that you know where we are I
can't talk a lot more about other things
which we may get into some of those
things but I think right
now we need to Center in on Daniel nine
because it's I think you said it and I
think Henry Moore said it as well it's
it's it's the key to Bible popular to
popular Bible prophecy today all right
well let me give a response to a little
bit of that by the way this is for those
watching on youtube this is my library
and sorry about a little bit disordered
thank you ladies for trying to
straighten it up I'm sorry I make your
job hard on you never end okay I would
have to very strongly disagree Gary and
a couple of things I think there's let's
see in the book of Exodus chapter three
let me see what this says here Exodus
chapter three verse number seven the
Lord said I have surely seen the
affliction of my people which are in
Egypt and I've heard their cry by reason
of their taskmasters for I know their
sorrows and I am come down to deliver
them out of the hand of the Egyptians
God is telling Moses to go back and you
get him out of there and to bring them
up out of the land unto a good land and
a large and unto a land flowing with
milk and honey
and into the place of the Canaanites the
Hittites the Emirates the parasites that
have yet besides electric lights and all
them light boys okay
so God told Moses I want you to go get
my people out so I can bring them into
the land of the bad guys up here there's
a gap between when they came out and
when they went in a gap of 40 years
because of their disobedience they went
up to the land they said there's giants
in there we don't want to go fight those
giants question there was a gap is there
a gap between oh yes they're looking
good so you said yeah there's a gap from
history we can see it the Bible says
there's a gap the Bible doesn't say
there's a gap we know that there was a
gap because they didn't go in right away
yeah but God punished from from numbers
13 and 14 they were to go into the land
and they brought back a negative report
and said there were giants in the land
we can't go in there Gary I said there
are no examples of gaps and you want
somebody to give you what I'm giving it
I'm saying there's no place where there
is a gap in numbers where when a certain
number is given and there's no
description of that number there God
says there is going to be 40 and you're
going to be in the in the wilderness for
40 years after they disobeyed yes but
there don't but my point
the Bible is telling you well there's a
forty-year they could have gone right in
straight out of Egypt I know they could
have my point is the text of Scripture
is telling you there's a 40-year period
before they're going to land on a major
place nothing in Daniel that says
because of the children of Israel's
disobedience that God said that's it I'm
putting you on the shelf
you're gonna wander around for 40 years
till you're all dead your children you
know that because the Bible says correct
now Jesus came presented himself as king
they said yeah hail King and they put
their robe down he rode in on the donkey
and then they crucified him instead he
said Oh God said I'm gonna put you on
the shelf for two thousand years I'm
gonna work with the Gentiles for a while
where does he say that I just said that
he grafted us in to the body to the
Romans chapter 11 we had a wild olive
branch grafted in and there so in Isaiah
passage that you quoted in the loop
Jesus stopped in the middle of the
passage here it is in Luke chapter 4 he
said to preach the acceptable year of
the Lord and he stopped in the middle of
the passage when you read the passage in
Isaiah to proclaim the acceptable year
of the Lord and the day of vengeance of
our God there's apparently a gap in here
now I'm shocked that you would say again
you're saying apparently there's a gap
that texts say there's a gap okay are
you saying the day of vengeance of our
God is already past oh yeah I do if
you're the preterist you believe in the
predator view this happened 17 all
cruises are predator oh I'm not okay you
know I don't believe there are 300 prop
there are 300 prophecies in the big on
this house stick on this one topic okay
okay okay
your service jesus told his disciples
when they asked him very clearly lord
when are you coming and what's the sign
right he told him he was going to come
in the clouds after the tribulation in
70 AD did every I see him and they also
which pierced him did everybody see
Jesus come back was there a trumpet
blast and the Sun and the moon go dark
in 70 AD yes actually it did you think
it did yeah well show that I'll show you
I'd like to see that go ahead but first
I want to make this point it's a very
simple point you're bringing up passages
that aren't numbered passages other than
the one out of Exodus but Jesus we know
from the know from the
passage in Exodus that from numbers that
they were to go into the land and we're
taught we're told by scripture itself
that they're gonna go into the land 40
years their scripture says that ok so
there's nothing in Daniel 9 24 through
27 that says there's a gap at 69th it
says in Exodus it doesn't say there be a
gap of 40 years either later we find out
about the 40 years okay by how well by
God told them exactly that's my point so
your God standpoint completely I want
everybody else to see I think how
shallow this point is you're saying
because it doesn't say there'll be a
2,000 year gap in Daniel therefore there
isn't a 2,000 year gap and it will fill
what about from the time he was
crucified until 70 AD that's a 40-year
gap but doesn't mention that gap I don't
say there is a you say didn't you said
he came back in 70 AD yeah that's a
40-year gap but 40 years from what from
his crucifixion
but jesus said isn't there 40 years
between 30 ad and 70 80 no number given
it says it is why was there a 40-year
get why did he come back in 31 ad and
burn down the temple and we're in the
New Testament does it give a set number
where he said he was going to come
you're the one complaining about the
numbers I'm not complaining I'm gonna
okay go ahead go ahead
wait again the lady has something to say
here okay let me let me do let me deal
with this thing about the where what you
find in Daniel 9 is it says desolations
are determined within the 70 year period
it says I believe that's the 70 year
period let me just give you my deal
Jesus the last set in the 70 years the
is the first three and a half years as
Jesus's ministry the next three and a
half years takes you to the time of the
Gentiles probably
it would be the Peter who is very
reluctant to go to the Gentiles and it's
it's the the vision of the the sheets
coming down out of heaven with unclean
animals on them all right
that's the end that's the end of the 70
weeks of years that's the end of the 490
years first three and a half years the
ministry goes to the to the dis to the
Jew first as Paul says to the lost house
of Israel do you all
that's why Jesus on the cross says it's
finished then if you go to Luke chapter
24 and Jesus goes through all of the Old
Testament twice it mentions this and
shows that all those prophecies were
talking about him and then it said to
let the final three-and-a-half the final
three and a half years and but what you
find within the daniel seventy weeks it
says desolations are determined see the
determination of the desolation is
determined within the 70th week now if
you go to matthew chapter 23 it's very
crucial that you understand matthew
chapter 23 because 23 feeds into 24 the
reason that the disciples asked a
question regarding the temple was
because of things jesus said in chapter
23 and so if you read and I'm gonna
start 31 consequently you bear witness
against yourselves that you were sons of
those who murdered the prophets fill up
the met
fill up then the measure of the guilt of
your fathers you serpents you brood of
vipers how shall you escape the sentence
of hell therefore behold I am sending
you prophets and wise men and scribes
some of them you will kill and crucify
some of them you will scourge in your
synagogues and persecute from city to
city that all happened you can read the
book of Acts that upon you that upon you
may fall the guilt of all the righteous
blood shed on earth from the blood of
righteous abel to the blood of zechariah
the son of berechiah whom you murdered
between the temple and the altar truly I
say to you this generation will not pass
away into all these things take place
Jesus is talking about their generation
not some future generation
why don't we there was a secondary
interpretation of that I know there is
okay okay verse 37 o Jerusalem
who kills the prophets and stones those
who are sent to her how often I wanted
to gather your children together
the way a hand gathers her chicks under
her wings and you were unwilling now
listen to this remember desolations are
determined in the 70th week according to
my view behold your house is being left
to you desolate see Jesus makes the
pronouncement during his ministry that
the temple would be left to them
desolate but it gives them 40 years very
much you know like the wilderness deal
but in this time in this sense it's a
time of blessing because the gospel goes
out believe on the Lord Jesus Christ
believe on the Lord Jesus Christ believe
on the Lord Jesus Christ and he'll be
saved embraced and embraced the Messiah
and that's exactly what happened people
say well that Israel rejected Jesus as
the promised Messiah well the the trials
and all those things were held at night
because they feared the people what
happened on Pentecost who did the God
who heard the gospel first the Jews
there were Jews living in Jerusalem from
every nation under heaven 3,000 people
came to Christ in chapter 2 chapter 4
five thousand chapter 21 Myriad's of
Jews now listen for I say to you from
now on you shall not see me until you
say blessed is he who comes in the name
of the Lord
chapter 24 remember no chapter divisions
or verse numbers in the original
original text and Jesus came out from
the temple and was going away when his
disciples came to point out the temple
buildings to him now his disciples I
know kent says these are Gentiles and so
forth and so on
no no it was his disciples that he's
talking to in Matthew 24 okay and the
answered and said to them do you not see
all these things what things truly I say
to you not one stone here he's talking
about that temple not one stone here
shall be left upon another which will
not be torn down and as he was sitting
on the Mount of Olives the disciples
came to him privately saying tell us
when will these things be and what will
be the sign of your coming and at the
end of the age now I know the King James
has end-of-the-world I checked
Henry Morris's
the defenders bible-study I think it's a
new one now and he has a note the Greek
word there isn't cosmos it's a on and it
means age it's a period of time and as
it was sitting on the Mount of Olives
disciples came up privately saying tell
us when were these things be and jesus
answered and said to them see to it that
no one misleads you for many will come
in my name
I'm the Christ and listen and you will
be hearing of wars and rumors of war see
that you are not frightened verse seven
for a nation will rise against nation
and Kingdom against Kingdom in various
places there will be famines and
earthquakes all took place before the
destruction of Jerusalem Acts chapter
eleven there were famines book of Acts
famines but all these things are merely
the beginning of birth pangs but they
will deliver you up to tribulation and
will kill you and you will be hated by
all nations on account of my name my
point is here this is directed to that
particular generation to that audience
verse Matthew chapter 24 34 says this
generation will not pass away until all
these things take place every time this
generation is using the Gospels it
always refers without exception to the
generation to whom Jesus is speaking the
only exception people refer to as the
one in Luke chapter 16 18 but I I looked
at that one and it's still all
generations the Greek word there is
generation it's not race it's not nation
this generation is a near demonstrative
it refers to the things that are near
this generation if Jesus had a future
generation in mind he would have said
what that generation will pass time here
okay just so you're aware many other
people say when he says what he's
talking about what's going to happen and
then he says this generation shall not
pass away in other words this generation
that gets to see these things happen
look at verse 33 is the one that's not
going to pass away now let me get you
personally glossed right over a major
problem earlier okay let me read it to
you from Daniel 9 that's what we're
gonna talk about there it is right here
look on the screen seventy weeks are
determined upon thy people the Jews
right upon thy holy city Jerusalem
to do what finish the transgression make
an end of sins make reconciliation for
iniquity bring in everlasting
righteousness are you saying that he's
already brought in everlasting to happen
in 70 AD to anoint the most holy was
Jesus anointed them in 70 AD how do you
fit this into 70 AD that's nothing to do
with 70 AD I agree because there's a gap
between this two chapters no well you
said it all happened you said it was all
fulfilled in 70 AD I did you said the 70
weeks are done 70 weeks he's going to
accomplish six things ten to more
nautical second you the 70 weeks of
years do not go to AD 70 they go to the
time of the of the Jesus Christ 70 weeks
of years are completed during in the
book of Acts probably with Peter your
position is during those 70 weeks in the
book act Jesus was anointed and we're
now living in a time of everlasting
righteousness Jesus brought in
everlasting righteousness I'd like to
see it you need to go downtown Chicago
you don't 700k you're you're you're
looking at it in terms of everlasting
righteousness in terms of per for we're
talking about everlasting righteousness
as a term encouraged now if Jesus didn't
bring in everlasting righteousness if
Jesus didn't bring in everlasting
righteousness we are still in our sins
he brought in everlasting righteousness
for us it was imputed to us it's not
talking about Chicago and all that kind
of thing it's talking about what Jesus
did for us and His redemptive work
that's why Jesus on the cross said it is
finished Joe what's your question
they're not music you to thy people die
people there it is yeah the Jewish
people in Jesus's day this is why I
think the preterist view that it all
happens already done is heresy I don't
think it's true at all I think there has
to be a gap between 69 and 70th week and
hasn't started yet because certainly
we're not living it is in the predator
view if I understand your position they
teach we're we're going to bring in the
kingdom now the Predators do not teach
them okay what's with what's is is there
anything coming what's the future hold
what's the next event to look for I won
or is it all done I want to okay that I
would bring that this Hebrews 9:12 right
neither by the blood of goats and calves
but by his own blood he entered in once
into the holy place see how this is all
taken from Daniel having listened having
obtained eternal Redemption everlasting
righteousness for us that's what Jesus
did that's what's being Jesus did they
say Antichrist don't do these things
Antichrist don't confirm covenants they
don't make covenants but you mentioned
that eight or ten times I have people
make covenants all the time lots of
world leaders make coven I don't know
where your disciple does it say
Antichrist makes the Covenant we're in
the Bible doesn't say I have a black
computer wearing the but we're in the
bible does it say Antichrist see now how
many people make covenants you're simply
wrong to say only Jesus is allowed to
make a covenant many people make Coburn
he has made a covenant to get where
Antichrist appears in first John and
second John well he's tell me where in
there it says that he makes covenants
are you waiting for the return of Christ
is he coming back another time sure yes
for to do what when roughly the constant
the consummation of all things that the
rapture is an event separate from the
second coming of Christ it's a different
it's here's the deal the rapture takes
place according to the to the modern
theory the rapture takes place I don't
care which one you pick and generally
after that
becomes a supposedly the thousand-year
reign of Christ on the earth the second
the the so-called consummating second
coming final coming of Christ is not the
rapture that's not what the rapture is
the rapture is something that was
created wholesale by certain writers in
order to try to try to fix
they said they say that Israel had
rejected Jesus as the Messiah and God
has to deal with Israel again and
sometime in the future some dealing with
Israel again you know what happens
during the seven-year tribulation period
in the future to the Jews God God is
supposedly coming back and he's going to
redeem Israel what happens to the Jews
during the Great Tribulation Period you
know many are killed many of you throw
our thirds of them are slaughtered so
God so 2,000 years we finally wait God's
gonna redeem is really starting to deal
with Israel again then he's going to
allow Antichrist to come in here and
allow them to slaughter two-thirds of
them this is from Zechariah chapters let
me give an answer to that here is my
position in my book and on my chart and
you haven't changed any of it with the
discussion tonight Jesus comes back at
the end of the seven year tribulation
catches us up to heaven we go to the
marriage supper of the Lamb while the
wrath of God falls on the world for a
1040 days I get that number because in
Daniel he asked him in Daniel 8 how long
is the temple going to be desolate he
said 2300 days well if the temple is
desolate for 2300 days and in the time
of Antiochus it was only desolate for a
thousand seventy-five days so this is
not already done the temple is going to
be desolate this is going to be the
third temple they're going to build
another temple it's going to be
desolated in the middle of the seven
years for 2300 days it is desolate
that's this red stripe on my chart so
after we are caught up out of here to
the marriage supper of the Lamb God
pours out his wrath on the world for
almost three years and then we come back
Jesus has fights the Battle of
Armageddon casts Satan is cast into the
pit for a thousand years a thousand
years later he's released out of the pit
there he is Satan in the pit
he's released and now we go to the great
white throne judgment this is when all
things are settled everything's done
there's still a thousand year period
coming including a time of Wrath there
are fifty verses in the Bible that talk
about the wrath of the Lord the wrath
falls in the day of the Lord and we saw
where the Sun and the moon go dark
before the day of the Lord
we're raptured out and all references to
the Sun and the moon going dark are on
my chart here all right behind me the
Sun is moon going dark is mentioned ten
times starting in Isaiah 13 and the last
ones revelation 6:12 the rapture takes
place a love relation 6:12 you mentioned
a point about the 1948 I'd like to make
that I make in my book I don't know
where the 40 years comes up as a
generation because it says 70 years in
Psalms it says a days of a man's life
are set threescore and ten and if by
reason of strength they be fourscore
which is 80 so I took in my book I said
I don't know when the Lord's coming I
was writing this and publishing it from
prison piece at a time on the Internet
somebody said we're hoping when's the
Lord coming back I said obviously I
don't know but if I had to guess I would
guess 2028 and here's my reasons why and
there's a whole section in my book
answering that question why do you think
the Lord is coming back in 2028 1948
they became a nation 80 years later is
19 is 2028 that would put the
tribulation starting next year we shall
see I don't know I'm not setting a date
but I think there is a real serious time
coming and the Jews are going to be
slaughtered by the thousands and so are
the Christians it's going to be a
horrible time coming for everybody he's
hasn't redeemed the Jews yet have the
Jews been slaughtered for the last 2,000
years in various countries of course
they have after 70 AD he apparently
didn't bring in everlasting
righteousness cuz God's people got bunch
of them got killed in Hitler's Holocaust
I don't see how this fits in your
theology Gary well like I explained it
very very clearly that you are saying
things that are going to take place that
there's no text of Scripture will
actually says that there's no there's no
scripture that says there's going to be
another rebuilt temple Daniel talks
about the temple doesn't say it also
doesn't say there isn't going to be like
the comply
none of them you're using the argument
from silence which is a silly argument
now you can imbue when you when you make
a doctrinal position that is functional
to your particular position I mean it is
key to your position and you can't find
a verse that actually supports it and
say well there doesn't say there
couldn't be well there couldn't it
doesn't say there couldn't be all kinds
of things but when you take a particular
position saying that this is what this
text is all about and that text doesn't
say any of those things I just don't
think it that's just not a good argument
now back I like I said I believe that
the the pre-wrap position I think you're
correct about that God's people are
saved from the pouring out of his record
I am post-trib pre-wrath okay now if you
look at Matthew chapter 24 what what do
you see there you see a local judgment
how could you how could you escape this
this tribulation that was coming in
Matthew chapter 20 was described in
Matthew 24 how do you escape it you
can't escape it by the way it says you
can escape it how do you do it how on
foot on foot you can escape it just to
the mountains of Judea okay so you can
escape it when in that in Luke chapter
21 and when it talks about the
abomination that's abomination of
desolation what's the warning sign when
you see what when you see Jerusalem
surrounded by armies get out of town all
right this isn't a world Matthew 24 is
describing some worldwide tribulation
there's something very very local but I
do agree that there is a difference
between tribulation and wrath good yeah
you're right on that okay now actually
in 70 AD did every I see him and every I
behold him did the Sun and the moon go
dark in 70 AD and that was the final
nemesis you I was interesting you
mentioned Isaiah chapter 13 I see a
13-10 where the Sun and the moon go dark
right that's the first reference when
did that happen it hasn't happened yet
but it hasn't it has what's dark out now
but you mean to tell me
that the punt the the judgment upon
Babylon that's what that's describing
they're saying the Sun went dark when
you babbled on that language is typical
all the way that way through this when
Babylon fell the Sun went dark that's
what the scripture says no the Sun and
Moon has not gone dark yet that's still
future so you don't believe the
scriptures want to set it with Sun of
the moon went dark I believe the Sun and
Moon will go dark I believe the
scripture is completely there are 10
references to the Sun and the moon going
dark I simply said the first one is
isaiah 13 6 wail for the day of the lord
is near it will come as destruction from
the almighty the day of the lord it's
just talking about the day of the lord
this is talking about the judgment on
babylon always talk about the day of the
lord every okay
Isaiah 13 Isaiah 13 prophecies about
Babylon the Oracle concerning Babylon
which Isaiah the son of Amoz saw lift up
a standard on bare Hill he's talking
about the destruction the judgment upon
Babylon Old Testament Babylon he's he's
not then jumping 2600 years into the
future the whale verse 6 for the day of
the Lord is near what they allure the
day of the Lord regarding the judgment
upon Babylon you added that to the
scripture is that right well add to the
Word of God that's fine because ok I've
just the chapters about the destruction
of Babylon you can take it or leave it
therefore I want to leave it all hands
will fall limp and every man's heart
will melt and they will be terrified
pains and anguish will take hold of them
they will arrive like a woman in labor
they will look at one another in
astonishment their faces the flame
behold the day of the Lord is coming
cruel with fury and burning anger to
make the land of desolation what land
the land of Babylon cruel with fury and
burning anger to make the land of this
desolation he will exterminate sinners
from it for the stars of heaven and
their constellations will not flash
forth their light The Sun will be dark
when it rises and the moon will not shed
its light thus I will punish the world
for its evil so when he judged Babylon
the Sun went dark and the moon went dark
that's your position my position is
that's what the Bible says and so in
looking at other passages for example
don't stay on this one
the Isaiah passage obviously has a
double meaning like many scriptures do
I'm gonna judge Babylon and this is
symbolic of how I'm gonna judge the
whole world one day as the Sun the Sun
of the moon did not go dark there's no
historical record in any society because
it's descriptive language that the Old
Testament uses the most authoritative
notice there was a son went dark
somebody would have written a record
about this okay big world let me ask you
this okay if you want to if you want to
hold that position I do okay so in book
of Revelation chapter 6 when stars were
are going to be thrown down to the earth
if a star hits the earth will the earth
be destroyed well that's an interesting
story about the Sun the stars falling
okay to the earth we call a piece a rock
coming to your atmosphere a shooting
star well don't we yeah we do
okay how about how about in Chapter 12
we're a third of the stars of heaven are
thrown down to earth by the I think you
feel if you'll read that in the whole
chapter is talking about Satan drew a
third of the Angels with his tail is
talking about the Fallen Angels in that
case so I think this says that it says
stars well but the stars are symbolic of
the Angels on Scripture aren't so
they're symbols or did the Sun in the
moon go dark for babylons they're
symbols there's there's a lot of
symbolism and they've actually exactly
for that position is you're incorrect
the Sun and the moon did not go dark
when Babylon it has an S 11 moon did not
go dark and Babylon because it was
symbolic
okay Nations I'm giving it here's okay
how was it I was Israel described in the
Old Testament a Genesis chapter 37
Genesis 37 as what Sun Moon and stars
remember the dream that Joseph had
bowing down to him Sun Moon and stars in
chapter 12 there's a woman how was the
how was the woman attired you remember I
was raised as raised in the Roman
Catholic Church and I went to Catholic
school was like third grade
there was always there was a picture
there of Mary and she was standing on
she was standing on the moon she had 12
stars around her head then she was
draped with the Sun Nathan that was Mary
well it's representative Israel Israel's
often represented as Sun Moon and stars
does is there a giant woman out in space
somewhere who's big enough to hold seven
stars and be able to big enough to stand
on the moon and asbestos enough not to
be burnt by the Sun you're absolutely
right these are symbols okay we don't
have to have the Sun Moon and stars go
dark or fall they're symbolic of the
fall of Nations okay we've got an hour
and a half which is plenty long enough
go and give your closing Gary your
position is that the 70 AD was the
fulfillment of the Matthew 24 passage
and the mark and Luke is that correct
yes okay and so any closing comments on
that yes ma'am questions from the
audience again no I'm waiting when I
dive to go to heaven to be with Jesus so
what's gonna happen but Presbyterians
can lose their salvation if they're not
careful so I think so well no there
won't be an end of time I mean well if
Jesus is gonna wrap everything out but
that doesn't mean times I mean I mean I
guess time as we understand it is what
you're saying but no I think there's a
consummation in the future I'm you know
I'm holding the same position that that
Kent does on the the future coming of
Christ that's not it that's not what's
what I'm dealing with here is dealing
with a passage of Scripture that's being
used to teach one of these five rapture
positions the elements necessary for
those necessary for those positions to
stand are not found in the passage that
are being used there are other verses
you can you know deal with what the
future holds for us that's another issue
I'm coming here just dealing with that
particular issue I was intrigued by this
someone else had set this thing up for
us I don't know if you know that I was
he was he was intrigued because then I'm
gonna compliment Kent on this it's very
difficult to
to change a very popular position
theological position which millions of
people believe especially a preacher of
rapture I mean in fact I just read an
article yesterday by a professor at
Biola Bible Institute of Los Angeles and
they have a Talbot School of Theology
and there was a professor there who
always put an asterisk next to the
eschatological statement regarding the
pre-trib rapture and they let him they
let him go areas because he was teaching
apologetics and he said you know he was
teaching apologize they really didn't it
didn't matter to him
well he ended up losing his job because
they didn't believe in the pre-trib
rapture anymore the count the cost
I mean you've changing the position
changing the position can be costly I
know friends pastors have lost churches
and and so forth I mean for for Kent to
make that change when there could have
been a lot of people who are supporters
of the preacher of rapture it cost me
dearly
yeah thousands of churches will not have
me come yeah because I'm no longer
pre-trib so I was I was intrigued by
that because you know obviously I mean
took you forty years I knew I wouldn't
come here into in two hours to change it
took you forty years to change from
pre-trib to here we go
I know I'm being more time than that a
lot more done but hey if you if you were
willing if you were willing to change
from from pre pre-trib to pre-wrath
post-trib or is it the other way around
but you know I'll give you 40 years
you'll be on my side okay okay I want to
I want to thank you for allowing me to
come in here thank you for coming up
honor to meet you let me get my closing
quickly I probably should have read all
of Matthew 24 cuz they asked him Lord
when are you coming what's the sign and
for the next 19 verses or 23 verses in
Matthew he tells him what's going to
happen now your position is all this
happened before 70 AD right so many came
in saying I'm Christ and deceived many
there were wars and rumors of wars going
on up to before 70 AD gospel have
increased
the whole world okay all these things
nation shall rise against nation did you
see that and care about that for the
next 40 years in 70 AD oh the nations
were okay okay empires have students
earthquakes in diverse places then shall
they deliver you up to be afflicted and
shall kill you you should be hated you
many shall be offended and shall fall
away they shall hate one another okay
many false prophets arose so all this
happened before 70 AD okay the love of
many wax cold okay but he that shall
endure to the end shall be saved so at
the end that in seventy who ended the
age that's what saved in 70 AD what
happened the Jews are still not saved I
don't know where you keep brain this the
Jews aren't being say they were being
saved throughout the whole period but
the majority of the nation if I was over
there only for seven days but most day
this is about that generation okay not
some future generation about this
generation this so the gospel was
preached into the whole world
you don't believe that well it says
there were seventeen nations gathered
together in action do you believe that
the you don't believe that the gospel
has been preached in the whole world
before that generate before 70 AD so
during those forty years they went to
every island every the whole world you
don't believe that you don't believe
what that says I do believe what this
says I think it happens in future do you
believe that Rome taxed the whole world
Rome the world didn't own the whole
world no Rome didn't own the Fiji I
decree went out from Caesar Augustus
that the whole world be taxed and you
think did that involve North Korea and
Vietnam that's what I'm asking you do
you think it's obvious the symbolism
there the whole world that they
controlled exactly okay this by the way
let me I know he doesn't like me going
to Greek using great I think God
preserved his word and Jack yeah in
Matthew 24:14
the word that's used there is not cosmos
it's the same word that's used in Luke
2:1
Boyko men a throughout the in an
inhabited world of the Roman Empire if
you look at Colossians 1:23 it's
Colossians 1:23 said that the gospel has
been preached to every creature under
heaven Paul doesn't say it will be it
says it has been
you look at Romans chapter 1 verse 8
says that the gospel had been known
throughout the whole world if you look
at Romans chapter 16 says the gospel and
preached to all the nations you see this
language understand this language if you
keep it consistent isn't talking about
the whole wide world it's talking about
the world of their particular day that's
why this generation you didn't you you
read verse 34 you didn't read verse 33
33 says that that that particular
generation would be the one to see the
signs not some future generation and
this is what this is this particular we
covered that earlier that generation 33
was still future and that generation
that sees this is gonna happen that's
not what it says that's the secondary
interpretation 33 even so you too when
you see all these signs recognize that
either he or he or it is near right at
the door truly I say to you this
generation will not pass away until all
these things take place this generation
look them up for yourself every time
this generation is used in Scripture it
always refers to the generation of Jesus
is speaking it's never talking about a
future generation a lot of this is
symbolic in here so let's take some more
questions here so my position is the
Matthew 24 Luke 2 third mark 13 and Luke
21 is still future we're going to face a
seven-year period of tribulation then
there's going to be a rapture probably
not many are gonna be caught up Luke 18
geez in verse eight when the Son of man
cometh shall he find faith on the earth
I think most of us are gonna be killed
in the next seven or eight years my
position I'm gonna write that down you
watch how many did you say I think in
the next seven or eight years we're
gonna see incredible persecution of
Christians worldwide I hope there's a
time of peace in America hopefully
doesn't happen here but it may so we
don't we have that on tape friends got
it on tape we'll put it up on our
YouTube channel okay what's your
question over there
permission yeah yes right what's Matt
what is Matthew what is first as I
mentioned before the word it's not
talking about the whole world at that
time
what does Matthew 20 and what's the full
what's the full expression of Matthew
chapter 28
I believe Matthew 28 is still future by
the way because it's not talking about
taking the gospel into all the world see
what Jesus is describing in Matthew 20
no it's not what it says no it doesn't
say that you're missing something says
that you will make disciples of the
nation's we haven't done that that's
what we should be doing is making
disciples of all the nations not just
pre this is this is this is one of these
another endtime deals here we think that
once we reach all these unreached people
that Jesus is going to come back again
and so we're not concerned about what
what happens in the rest of the world
all we're concerned about is getting
reaching all these people but see
Matthew 28:18 through 20 is talking
about disciple in the nations that means
when we go into a nation not just to
preach the gospel to them and move on
but we we are it's what happened you
know the reason I got involved with
America's Christian heritage because the
people who came here early on they were
they discipled their children they built
schools they established institutions
Harvard and Yale and Princeton and so
forth yes I didn't say I agree thank you
well it doesn't say that in Matthew 28
but I agree with you that Matthew 28:18
through 20 the Great Commission has not
been fulfilled it's talking about the
discipleship of nations in matthew
chapter 4 24 14 that's talking about the
gospel going out to the
near their world just like the tax was
just through the Roman Empire and of
Colossians 1:23 Paul says in Colossians
1:23 it's it's hyperbole obviously that
the gospel had been preached to every
creature under heaven and I know Kent
not we would agree well it really wasn't
preached every creature under heaven but
Paul says it was which is the
fulfillment of what Jesus says in
Matthew chapter 24 14 you can find that
in Colossians 1 3 Romans 1 8
it's either 1 8 or 1 10 and in other
places first the first Timothy chapter 3
I don't I don't claim I let the context
tell me what's symbolic and we can't and
I agree that there are symbolic places
and well let's take more questions and
we got to quit here but my video tapes
of the 207 countries in the world have
been to 206 of them than mice I'm sour
on creation yeah go ahead did that
happen before 70 AD I guess is the
question well you can't buy or sell
without a mark did the Romans do that No
so that's good
I think the mark of the beast is similar
to the same mark of the Lamb okay so in
Romans chapter 13 there's a mark of the
beast are actually two beasts in
Revelation 13 there's a sea beast which
i think is 1st century Rome and there's
a land beach which i think is apostate
Israel and they colluded with one
another you can see it very it's it's
all the way through through the
subscription through history
in fact it's you'll find it in John
chapter 19 verse 15 where they were
remember
Barabbas or Jesus the son of a god son
of a god or son of the son of Ziga
what Barabbas means son of a son of a
god or son of son of the father the son
of the father or a son or before I was
probably a bastard they gave him a
choice who would you have and they all
shouted out what Barabbas give us
Barabbas and Pilate said I crucify your
king and what do they say we know they
say we have no king but Caesar
so romans revelation 13 I'm not an
expert on the book of Revelation I mean
that's a completely different field but
revelation 13 you see the colluding that
takes place between Rome and is and
apostate Israel and the number 666 is
used and there's more speculation on the
number of 666 and there are speculations
on antichrists but that mark is is
symbolic it's it's the same thing you
find in Exodus sit next to the sixth why
would it be specific in the right hand
or in the forehead how can it be so
because it's the same thing that's used
in the Old Testament about what were you
supposed to do you were supposed to take
word God's Word and do what with it what
we suppose so you're supposed to put it
on your hand and your forehead so
that'll be the mark you can't buy or
sell unless you wear about no I'm just
saying is is that it's it is because if
you it is symbolic okay it's because
it's that your your mind and what to
work and work it to do but the very next
chapter the very next chapter is the
there's the lamb so you got these beasts
and you have the lamb but if it's those
who has his mark
so what physical mark or does the lamb
have if the 666 is supposed to be an
actual 666 like so
Salem care bonds book it's got them
stamped on your head and stamped on your
hand then what what is the what is the
mark of the Lamb
what's the mark of the Lamb what is what
where's the mark of the land you're
supposed to have what is it
see they're there they're equal in the
sense of whatever they whatever mark
they are theirs they're the same I mean
same in
and the way that they're applied and the
number is not 666 at 666
I believe you have to make a choice
every day and on who you're going to
serve I'm just saying that they if the
phrase Antichrist if you look at the
terms Antichrist they're very clear as
to what they are an antichrist is
someone who denies that Jesus Christ has
come in the flesh
that's anti-crime I'm trying to stick
with the I'm trying to stick to the
biblical definition
okay well it's anti does mean against
that's before we go too far off track
let's finish this one kick this let me
go let me just you said the mark of the
beast is symbolic I like like the mark
of the Lamb I will go on record to say I
do not believe that here's my position
I've been teaching for 25 years
Revelation 13 is gonna cause all to
receive a mark in the right hand or in
the forehead and you can't buy or sell
without this mark here is wisdom six
hundred threescore and six 666 when the
barcode was developed in the early 70s
the first two digits are unmarked to
skinny lines you're involved in
computers you guys do computer
programming in the center there are two
skinny lines which are unmarked doesn't
give a number for them at the end there
are two skinny lines it used to be and
if you invite something from 1971 or 72
that had the mark they had a six six six
under here because two skinny lines is
the computer code for six however the
numbers can be made two different ways
the first set of numbers on the first
before that six is for the product
itself this is a can of coca-cola the
second set of numbers is for that
particular store to program their price
in so they can play with these numbers
this comes from the manufacturer I may
have it backwards but one half is for
the manufacturer so this my contention
is this is to start the computer reading
it and then to sell it to switch over so
that now you can keep track of the
inventory so the store knows to order
another can of coke because somebody
just bought one so half of it is
inventory half is for the personal for
the store okay now they've got this kind
but here's the different ways to make
the numbers it's all black and white
lines zeros and ones Jonathan you've
been doing this for what 30 years okay
zeros and ones there it is the number
six can be made two different ways three
different ways a single line two skinny
lines or another one the ones that are
in this in this always start off with a
six at the beginning six in the middle
six at the end I predict there will be
some kind of chip of some kind they will
go complete electronic transactions you
won't be able to buy or sell without a
probably a computer chip in your hand or
in your forehead I think that's what's
coming they decided a friend of mine in
Arkansas died recently but his company
helped make these chips that's what they
did is they built those chips they gave
him a million dollars and said would you
please find out what part of the human
body changes temperature the most so we
can put the chip with a battery in and
the body will recharge the battery my
temperature change well any mother could
have told him where you check for a
fever you're a pediatrician doctor where
the forehead or the back of the hand oh
honey you got a fever and they found out
the right hand changes temperature more
than the left hand because it's a little
further from the heart so he said I
would recommend if you're gonna put this
chip in somebody and count on body
temperature change to recharge it you
should put it in the forehead or in the
right hand that's what they said so I
don't know I'm not gonna I shouldn't use
the word predict I strongly suspect
we're going to see a microchip that has
to be implanted in your right hand or in
your forehead and you will not be able
to buy or sell without a computer chip
of some kind that's what I suspect is
coming rapidly okay wrong it's
Deuteronomy six
and you shall bind them as a sign on
your hand and they shall be as frontlets
all I'm saying is yeah that every Jew
didn't go around with this some did I
mean some tech Jews today they've got
the band around the hand and they got
the little rocks and there wasn't to buy
or sell no okay what's your question let
me get back to what this is all about so
we keep going off into all these
different directions the rapture
position all five of those positions is
dependent upon Daniel chapter 9 verses
24 through 27 supposedly the Antichrist
is mentioned there there's no mention of
an antichrist supposedly there's a gap
between the 69th and 70th week there's
no mention of a gap between the 69th and
70th week any time numbers are used in
the Bible they are always concent
consecutive Kent brings up a good point
about going into captivity but we're
told in Scripture that they're going to
go into captivity for 40 years there's
no such thing and in Daniel 9 supposedly
the anti-crisis Capote is going to make
a covenant with Israel I'm going to
rebuild the temple and then break the
Covenant none of those things are
mentioned in Daniel chapter 9 verses 24
through 27 all these other things that
you're talking about are important in a
discussion about those things but the
rapture top topic which all the
positions are dependent upon is
dependent upon 9 chap Daniel 9:24
through 27 my point is those things are
not found in that passage no one is has
no one here tonight then any of the
books I've read on this and I've got and
this is Kent's library I'm not gonna
brag but I'll just tell you've got like
20,000 20,000 books and read the
extensive library on eschatology have
read almost everything on that
particular topic
no one IRET have read has been able to
demonstrate they even admit they even
admit that those things aren't in there
they're getting them from other places I
like to stick to the text of Scripture
text of Scripture does not mention those
items those all the other questions
you're asking are interesting and
important to discuss but that's not what
this topic is about yes sir yes that's
that's that's fair enough sure I'll take
that okay so we're waiting no so the man
of sin was already revealed yes because
the man up there's again a great deal of
speculation as to who the man of
lawlessness of the man of sin it was but
we're told when he was didn't read can
you find it look at verse 6 was this I
think it's verse 6 look at verse 6 what
does it say maybe it's maybe seven
you know what restrains him now it's
actually says it has has come at hand is
not correct that the day of the Lord has
come I know what I know what the King
James says right he says that's already
happened I say it has not happened yet
I second Thessalonians 2 I can get to
this real quick here verse 5 dude do you
not remember that while I was with you I
was telling you these things and you
know what restrains him now so that in
his time he may be revealed for the
mystery of lawlessness is already at
work so when is it when it says here
verse 6 you know what restrains him now
so the man of lawlessness was being
restrained then now you're saying not
just you but no no this isn't going to
happen to the distant future but this
says the man this gives an indication
that whoever the man of lawlessness was
he was being restrained in Paul's day
and but the man but the Antichrist is
supposed to be a human being so you're
telling me that he was restrained then
so he's like 2000 and some years old he
was restrained then he was the mystery
of lawlessness was already at work but I
here's here's why this this acute eyes
it was Satan yes he's way more than
2,000 years old what Satan is Lucifer
was created during the six days of
creation and this is a lie be the
Antichrist right the Antichrist is a
human being and at Christ if the
Antichrist this is the Antichrist then
he was restrained in Paul's day then
this this guy is somewhere in the world
today in his 2,000 years old on all I'm
trying to say here is I don't I could go
through this I've got two chapters of
the on the second Thessalonians in my
book last days madness even have
something here on the barcode by the way
if you're interested whether we've gone
ok way over time okay fine you can
urgent questions we got to get answered
before it's been almost two hours here
okay well thank you for coming you don't
have to haven't had the tour of our
dinosaur real and yet him know you
staying overnight know I'll give you the
tour okay the real tour the real killer
mule not not the three-day tour
oh no three-hour tour
how many have ever taken the real two or
there oh yeah 26 degree weather thank
you so much for getting I was gonna
freezing here thank you for listening
for everybody and if you'd like to get
my book on the topic what a nurse about
to happen you go to dr. 9 how do they
get your book on the topic I'll go to
American vision org last days madness
wars and rumors of wars it's Jesus
coming soon the gog and magog prophecy
if you're interested the early church in
the end of the world the day and the
hour and my new book the rapture and the
fig tree generation okay thanks alright
well thank you for coming appreciate it
we'll see you tomorrow if you're not a
christian regardless of what happens in
the future you better give your heart to
the lord and get saved okay cuz you're
gonna die and you're gonna be dead for a
really long time really long time i want
to plan a pack a lunch for that one okay
so all right thanks for joining us see
you tomorrow bye-bye
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